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James ([personal profile] james) wrote in [community profile] vorkosigan2020-05-13 11:36 am

Gregor and Laisa's kids

Do we know their names, or their ages with respect to one another? All I can find is a reference to 'Flowers of Vashnoi' where they have 2 sons and 1 daughter, but I've not read that novella and despite knowing I should I'm hoping someone can just tell me?

It's basically one throwaway line in a story, but if we have canon names I'd prefer to use them and if not does anyone have any feelings about what their names might be? I know that apparently the Vorbarra family doesn't name the sons after the grandfathers, but otherwise I got nothing.

Thanks all!
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[personal profile] seekingferret 2020-05-13 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been relistening to Captain Vorpatril's Alliance and there's a line "till Gregor married Laisa Toscane and the boys came along, to many people's relief.”, so I'd guess the sons are older than the daughter. Which was obviously, as the quote indicates, a political decision as much as a personal one, presuming that uterine replicators were involved. I haven't read Flowers of Vashnoi yet either.
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[personal profile] lannamichaels 2020-05-13 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope, no canonical names. I have no idea if anything's been put on the List.

All I need from this canon are namesssssss
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[personal profile] southerncontinentskies 2020-05-14 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
There are never any names.

I was tickled when I finally got around to reading FoV and found that factoid, though, because it was definitely the headcanon I already had. Though honestly, it's just logic (sadly); they need an heir and (at least one) spare, and then they have room to have a daughter. And of course I've always though Gregor would want a bunch of kids, for a lot of reasons.

Further headcanon, which has absolutely no canon support at all: they don't stop at three. In FoV Ekaterin mentions that she saw the baby princess recently, so canon (other than GJatRQ? Unclear what the relative timeline is there) hasn't caught up to any further hypothetical Vorbarras.
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[personal profile] dira 2020-05-14 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
My experience of people wanting naaaaaames in the past is that Lois hates naming characters until and unless she has a reason to, to give herself room to maneuver if she has a Better Idea at some point. :D

So probably there will never be canonical names for the kids until there's a book about one of them.
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[personal profile] danceswithlife 2020-05-14 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
For those who might be interested (and haven't read it yet), there's a IMHO really good novel length fanfic on AO3 called, "Cordelia's Family." It's told almost entirely via correspondence (a few, but not many from Cordelia)by the next generation(s). It includes Gregor's kids. It goes on for about 40 years into their lives. CW: as you can imagine, covering that length of time, it includes major character deaths. The intro to it says:

Cordelia's Family
by FanFicReader2016
Summary: For the prompt: How Cordelia's daughter's affect [sic] Barrayar or Escobar or anywhere, really.

To know Cordelia's daughters, you must also know her family. All of them, from her brother to the grandchildren and great-grandchildren yet to come.

Link: https://archiveofourown.org/works/14943969/chapters/34625685

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[personal profile] elf 2020-05-19 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
I had vaguely thought they'd be named by Vor tradition - Serg + Laisa's father's first name for the eldest, then Serg's middle name & L's father's middle name... and then realized that no, Gregor is probably not naming his son Serg. Hmm.

He might go with Laisa's father's names, following Miles' pattern and setting a tradition for "children with offworld mothers get their maternal grandfather's names." Adds a bit of exotic variety. A few less Donos and Xavs to trip over. Remind everyone that Barrayar is not so isolated anymore, while still keeping some of its traditions.

Of course, that doesn't fix the problem of not having any canon names to work with.
Edited 2020-05-19 04:24 (UTC)